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CMOT
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ARMORAMA
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 - 02:10 AM UTC
Darren Baker takes a look at the resin Fascine Lumber Bundles for the Churchill with Fascine Carrier Frame from Hobby Fan.

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tdeimling
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 04:34 AM UTC
The price is absurd! I made a fascine for my Mk IV male using twigs obtained from a wholesale florist and some chain for a total cost of $6. I'm sure that a quick trip to a hobby shop to purchase some balsa wood strips and some rigging thread would easily produce a more detailed bundle.
Biggles2
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 06:46 PM UTC
Agree. AFV Club's plastic kits are moderately priced, but their resin (Hobby Fan) is all way overpriced!
SgtRam
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 07:00 PM UTC
Have to agree in the pricing, this is total over priced and definitely not worth it. I have seen many other options, and I believe there was someone that made a fascine with a broom and it looked awesome.

pseudorealityx
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 10:10 PM UTC
We already have a 4 page thread on the price of this thing...


http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=231642#1952422

Given the size and volume of this thing, the price is 'reasonable'. Whether the time savings/detail/style of fascine is worth it to the individual modeler... personal decisions.

People complain too much about prices in this hobby.
Biggles2
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 11:03 PM UTC

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People complain too much about prices in this hobby.



Why not?? Complaining is free; kits aren't!
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2015 - 08:38 AM UTC

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People complain too much about prices in this hobby.



The thing that gets me is how many people simply can't wrap their heads around the idea that a reasonable price for what they want (subject, scale, detail level, options, engineering, all of that) often IS just about what the companies are charging. (This item being perhaps one of the more easily demonstrated examples.)

KL
CMOT
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2015 - 09:14 AM UTC
Kurt I have to say some of the prices I have seen made my eyes water, but it is an option rather than a must have and so it is up to the modeller if the cost and detail are worth it to the modeller.
gharker
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2017 - 10:09 PM UTC
My wife gave me a large gift certificate for the LHS. They had the bundle on sale. I now have one. It has it's base coat on and looks good so far. I would never have paid the price otherwise but under the circumstances I decided to splurge.
Namabiiru
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MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2017 - 11:32 PM UTC
So the manufacturer released a kit which is missing an essential element of the subject just so they can release a separate (expensive!) aftermarket add-on to fill the gap? Talk about war profiteering...


This offering at least allows you to choose how to spend your time: finding your own sticks or convincingly painting resin to look like sticks.

Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 02:23 AM UTC

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People complain too much about prices in this hobby.



Lucky you if you have the luxury of being able to pay these prices and not complain!

KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 05:48 AM UTC

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People complain too much about prices in this hobby.



Lucky you if you have the luxury of being able to pay these prices and not complain!




The ENTIRE hobby is just trafficking in luxury goods. Not a single item we play with is a necessity. No one needs ANY of this [auto-censored]. We have each, individually, chosen scale modeling as a HOBBY. In other words, the money we spend on modeling is money that we have determined can be wasted, spent on nothing more than our personal amusement. It is ridiculous and utterly selfish for ANYONE to complain about prices in the hobby. It just comes across as an expression of green jealousy that you can't afford to or don't want to WASTE as much money as someone else. Sure, you can say that something isn't a good value for the price, but don't try to put yourself in the same category as those folks who don't have enough money for necessities, or for any sort of amusement at all. To them, your complaints about the prices of little toy tanks sound no different than someone crying that the price of caviar has gone up or that a 5 carat gemstone diamond is a affordable at $200,000 but greedily overpriced at $300,000.

Get some perspective.

KL

KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 05:55 AM UTC

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So the manufacturer released a kit which is missing an essential element of the subject just so they can release a separate (expensive!) aftermarket add-on to fill the gap? Talk about war profiteering...



The fascine is not essential at all. In fact, the vast majority of the tank's life in service and in action was spent without a fascine mounted.

KL
Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 06:59 AM UTC

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People complain too much about prices in this hobby.



Lucky you if you have the luxury of being able to pay these prices and not complain!




The ENTIRE hobby is just trafficking in luxury goods. Not a single item we play with is a necessity. No one needs ANY of this [auto-censored]. We have each, individually, chosen scale modeling as a HOBBY. In other words, the money we spend on modeling is money that we have determined can be wasted, spent on nothing more than our personal amusement. It is ridiculous and utterly selfish for ANYONE to complain about prices in the hobby. It just comes across as an expression of green jealousy that you can't afford to or don't want to WASTE as much money as someone else. Sure, you can say that something isn't a good value for the price, but don't try to put yourself in the same category as those folks who don't have enough money for necessities, or for any sort of amusement at all. To them, your complaints about the prices of little toy tanks sound no different than someone crying that the price of caviar has gone up or that a 5 carat gemstone diamond is a affordable at $200,000 but greedily overpriced at $300,000.

Get some perspective.

KL




Hobby is necessary?...no but not becose is not necessary you can't argue about prices if you think like that or you have a lots of money to waste or [autocensore] ...you buy a TV,holyday or a bike at any price?...basically if not strectly necessary you don care about the prices...BS!...you never complained about a rebox over priced?...or the prices of LHB?...
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 11:31 AM UTC

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Hobby is necessary?...no but not becose is not necessary you can't argue about prices if you think like that or you have a lots of money to waste or [autocensore] ...you buy a TV,holyday or a bike at any price?...basically if not strectly necessary you don care about the prices...BS!...you never complained about a rebox over priced?...or the prices of LHB?...



Arguing about value is fine, but that's not the same as cost. A $5 item could be a horrible value while a $100 kit may be a great deal. Just squawking about how everything costs too much is stupid.

KL
Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 - 01:12 PM UTC

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Arguing about value is fine, but that's not the same as cost. A $5 item could be a horrible value while a $100 kit may be a great deal. Just squawking about how everything costs too much is stupid.

KL



Sorry but who decides for me if the cost is equivalent to the value or otherwise of a kit or whatever it is? .... Me, my self and I or Mr. KT decides for me whether or not to give value to an object and as a result if the cost worth my "squawking" or not ....

Mah...nice piece of resin but for me the price is to much for what do you get