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For those who like to scratchbuild their sci-fi models.
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Sci-Fi 2 GB - Santa's New Sleigh
turtle65
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Posted: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 02:21 PM GMT+7
all,
Time to have another crack at this scratchbuilding lark .
I think I'm starting to get addicted to this genre of modelling, the freedom involved compared to other styles.
Right then - Intro- my planned project or this GB

Steampunk style Santa's Sleigh.
A friend of a friends original concept drawing:



Then comes the interesting bit of converting to a 3D object .
First port of call - the lathe, and turn down a basic cylinder shape.



Rough out the cockpit and baggage areas then sit and scratch the noggin on how best to plank and strip frame it .

Cheers for stopping by for a looksie. As always feel free to point out any areas of shoddy work etc. I'm always open to CC.
oldbean
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Posted: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:19 PM GMT+7
I like it! Looks like a lot of fun. I'll be following this one closely!

Jesse
turtle65
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 08:45 PM GMT+7
Jesse, hope I can live up to expectations.

Well a semi-productive day today. Semi-productive as a couple of things I'd planned on doing weren't possible as my 2 part epoxy glue had decided to become unusable .

Did a bit of tidying here and there, marked out the planking and did some laminating :




and a quick mock-up to decide a few areas fate:



Tomorrow's tasks - reshape the cockpit and start planking.
Later.
turtle65
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2016 - 02:19 PM GMT+7
,
Started making a porcupine today .
Not really a conventional way of planking but the best method for this project :



CC (Constructive Criticism) is now open for your use .
turtle65
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:38 PM GMT+7
Slow and steady .
Slow process bending/gluing/waiting/repeat. Planking looks very rough at the moment however that will change once they are all bent to shape.
Using some reject wood, so have had a couple of planks crack/split so had to replace :



Cheers for stopping by. Hope your projects are progressing well.
2002hummer
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:54 PM GMT+7
Look interesting. I will be following you build. Quite different.
zontar
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 05:36 PM GMT+7
Pretty cool Roger!
Do you wet the planks to bend them at the ends?
Fine work and looking forward to seeing more.
-zon
turtle65
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Posted: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 01:14 PM GMT+7
all,
Zon - yep, just wet the bits that need bending, slowly bend into shape then pin/tape till it's dry then slap some glue around pin/tape again and wait till cured .
Normally I'd use the steam method but as this project is just a quickie/rough job I couldn't be bothered .

Cheers to all for stopping by.
zontar
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Posted: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 07:51 PM GMT+7
Roger,
Thanks for the info. This is a technique I've not tried yet.
- Zon
turtle65
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Posted: Friday, September 09, 2016 - 12:11 AM GMT+7
Just prepping ready to start bending the cockpit coaming .
Could be some colourful language tomorrow while doing it - it's one of those either it works or it ends in tears :



Results may or may not be shown
turtle65
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 - 04:39 PM GMT+7
Okay, first attempt at the wooden cockpit coaming ended in tears , never mind good practise as I haven't done radical bends like that for years.
Second attempt currently soaking in Ammonia/water solution for the next 24HRS.



If this fails I'll go to block shaping , messy process but might be the only solution .
Ta for stopping by.
turtle65
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Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 04:10 PM GMT+7


Have slopped some stain around to make it look like I've done something .
Undecided about brass for the framing , had hoped to compare with some copper but it seems I don't have any of the required diameter .
Second attempt with the cockpit coaming = not happy. Although I managed to get it formed however the wood grain is running at an unusual angle and I'm not pleased . Have done a quick mock-up with the grain running vertical and it doesn't look too bad (not an accepted practise in real life woodworking).
Thoughts/opinions on the above dilemmas





SGTJKJ
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2016 - 12:57 AM GMT+7
Roger, nice progress. Your woodworking skills are impressive.

Looking forward to see more.
zontar
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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 10:53 AM GMT+7
Roger: I vote for the brass. I also like the coaming, although from your inspiration art work, I see the coaming as a grab rail of sorts, rather than a solid piece, but the wood seems a nice alternative.

-Zon
turtle65
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Posted: Sunday, October 02, 2016 - 02:49 AM GMT+7
Zon,
Thanks, yep I've gone for the brass stringers. The copper was just a touch too bright in comparison to how I envision the final look (slightly different to the concept art).
Proper progress to follow soon.
turtle65
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Posted: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - 03:14 PM GMT+7
Zon,
this is the coaming around the cockpit in a bit more detail :



Well just noticed the date and thought I'd better pull finger and get some work done on this project .
Finally got the upper planking done and just started rebuilding the centre section (1st was too thick). A quick mock-up and now I can visualise how to tackle the sled area :




Feel free to poke a stick at this, I'm all for CC (or even C ).
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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2016 - 04:59 AM GMT+7
Looks great so far, Roger. I'm enjoying the lot of it. Wish I could help out some,, but aside from design ideas that would be intrusive to your creativity,, I'm all out of them! Looking forward to more progress and to see what you come up with for the hood ornament. Plenty of miniatures out there and glass blowers that need work, but I hope to see something of yours lead the way! Are you going to foil the large bump rail?
turtle65
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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 05:51 PM GMT+7
Cheers Andrew.
The hood ornament hasn't even been thought about yet .
Just messing about with AK True Metal paint to see if it's suitable for the centre section - jury's still out pending verdict .
Spent some time today making a couple of jigs for bending plastic rod for the sled frame.
Proper progress soon ........
zontar
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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 06:02 AM GMT+7
Roger,
Aha! I did not pick up on that in the original image, but looking back, I see it clearly now. The brass is definitely the right choice and looks stellar!

-Zon
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 - 02:05 PM GMT+7
Nice!
Can I add my 2 cents for what lil it's worth?
-"coaming"....do you have any very thin verneer that you could wrap around a buck to get it to shape...then layer them on to thickness?...like plywood is done.
-"skis"....the pic shows silver in color - I'd suggest metal rod and silver soldered together to keep the color{but that's me}
-"exhaust in back"...recalling my custom made 1/12 motorcycle exhaust pipes for a build here, I used brass tubing. Problem is that, as is, the brass is very set in it's current shape....annealing to nearly cherry red really softens it up for being worked and though that leaves it softer than normal, I doubt you'll be tossing this one around too much when done.

...I'm outta here - got my own build to contemplate things on...excellent job so far though!
turtle65
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Posted: Thursday, November 10, 2016 - 02:32 PM GMT+7
Cheers all for the input.
Food for thought as it were .
I should say something like "progressing slowly" but I'd be lying , haven't even looked at this for a few weeks .
In the words of Cheech & Chong "Bailiff, whack his pee pee" .
Namabiiru
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Posted: Thursday, November 10, 2016 - 11:23 PM GMT+7
Would it be blasphemy to suggest sheet styrne painted as woodgrain for the cockpit coaming? If so, I won't suggest that....

turtle65
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2016 - 12:39 AM GMT+7
Having mellowed considerably over the past few years I will now consider that a viable option . Truth be told I've just asked a friend if he has any spare wood-grain decal left overs awaiting a response.
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Monday, November 28, 2016 - 12:09 AM GMT+7
Roger, looking forward to hear how you decide to move on for this build.

I guess you have a set deadline around the 24th/25th December?
turtle65
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Posted: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:40 AM GMT+7

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I guess you have a set deadline around the 24th/25th December?



You'd expect so, however for me things happen when they happen.