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Science Fiction: Star Wars
Discuss Star Wars kits until you fall into the Sarlac pit.
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Wolf-Leader
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 11:44 AM GMT+7
I am in dier need of help! I am trying to find out more information on the x-wing cockpit,mainly the seat for now.All the photos that I have looked at as well as the many hours of movies I looked at as well still does not answer any of my cockpit questions.I have posted many of the same question(s)on some of the sci-fi and star wars websites and still no replies.
I am getting alittle frustruated by all this!
So here is my questions for all of you.Does the x-wing fighter have safety harness/seatbelts? If so,what is the configuration of the harness? if not is there a scifi reasoning on how they stay in their seats while manuvering?
Thank you and I really hope you can help me in this delemma.
Trisaw
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 02:35 PM GMT+7
Are you near a major bookstore?

I would recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Cross-Sections-Star-Wars-Spacecraft/dp/0789434806/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491444870&sr=8-3&keywords=star+wars+cross+section

Wait...here is the image... Google under "Star Wars X-Wing crossection" to see it larger. I think the pilot just sits there without any restraints, but hard to say...there may be a lap belt. You have to recall that the X-Wing is 1970s LucasArts technology...before many (car) shoulder belts and racing harnesses, so I suppose you can add your own modeling liberties to your X-Wing.

Wolf-Leader
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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 12:12 PM GMT+7
yes I went to a barnes and noble book store and saw the bok your talking about,looks good but still no reference to the seat belts/harness.
Trisaw
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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 03:10 PM GMT+7
None of the movie photos of the pilots in the X-Wings show a shoulder harness, and if you look at the X-Wing's 1:1 scale replica, the seat doesn't show any shoulder harness. It's basically a chair stuck in a cockpit, and it's not even an ejection seat. (You would have to read the tech-specs to see which Star Wars fighter pilots can eject. I think some fighters might, but it's useless in the vacuum of space).





The cross-section shows what appears to be a lap belt, and I would go with that since the X-Wing was designed in the 1970s when most cars' back seats then still used lap belts (and front seats had shoulder belts, but I guess that would look funny having a pilot wear a should belt).

You would at least want a lap belt in case the X-Wing goes inverted in the atmosphere...need a belt to prevent the pilot from bonking his head against the canopy glass when upside down or doing a barrel roll in the atmosphere with gravity.

srmalloy
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:49 AM GMT+7
I would expect that you'd want something as a backup in case they failed, but you're overlooking something by fixating on the lack of visible restraints. If you've got the technology to create a normal-gravity environment in a spacecraft, you have the technology to isolate the pilot in a 1G bubble so that he can maneuver his ship as violently as the ship will handle without ever experiencing any force that would bump him around. Note, in the exploded view, the item labeled "acceleration compensator" below and behind the cockpit.

In fighters like the Empire's TIEs, where they don't bother making the cockpit a shirtsleeve environment, I'd expect that you'd have four-point restraints so you wouldn't have the weight and power cost of gravity-field generators, trading that off for increased maneuverability.

Still, even in a ship with a gravity plate shielding the pilot from the G effects of maneuvers, I'd want a good restraint system as a backup in case the acceleration compensators are damaged; it seems like a low-tech enough addition that the Rebellion would be able to install them in their ships, but it could be a cultural blind spot, given that gravitic technology has been around for thousands of years in the SW universe.
Trisaw
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:26 AM GMT+7
Even in the new "Force Awakens" Star Wars movie, there is a lack of a shoulder harness as seen here.





I think it's all a matter of perspective and common sense. If you want REAL 1:1 1970s ILM/LucasArts accuracy, then I'd go with a lap belt. If you want 2017 technology and common sense, then sure, add a shoulder harness. Kotobukiya makes a cross-sectional X-Wing collectible where it does have some sort of shoulder harness it seems.

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/product-archive/?sku=901057#&gid=1&pid=9

And this drawing of the X-Wing shows a X-shoulder harness, but it might not be official.

http://wallpapersafari.com/w/BgGiKJ

And look at this Rebel Fighter cross-section that has two shoulder belts that seem to hook onto the pilot (maybe?).

Bluestab
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 03:36 PM GMT+7
It's not an x-wing but I do know that the snow speeders from Empire Strikes Back had harnesses. That could work as a general idea on how'd they'd be in an X-Wing.

I think at the time it was a detail that they just overlooked for the X-Wings. They probably would have omitted them from the speeders if the harnesses didn't come into play with Luke's rear gunner.

I think you'd be good if you added them or left them out.