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Sci-Fi Campaign - the RULES
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Friday, November 29, 2002 - 12:17 PM GMT+7
The art of compromise... that seems to be what makes Belgian politics so unique. Now sadly for you all, I'm not a politician


After Jim's suggestion to find a compromise to this discussion, I did some thinking that tries to include all suggestions (Except Envar's, since the Balloowa-Nimir planetary religion does not allow them to be depicted in dioramas, and I would not like them to declare war on our solar system).
Let me now specify the guidelins to get this campaign on track.

Instead of ONE campaign, we make it a light, astandard and an expert campaign.

Campaign Guidelines (for all three cathegories)
-- The Campaign starts on Friday 10 January 2003
-- The Campaign ends on Friday night, 28 February 2003
-- This Campaign will be a Campaign. It is not a contest. There will be no prize.
-- All who send in a project, get a campaign ribbon. See details on how to send in below.
-- Pictures posted on this forum or questions or remarks about your projects, both finished and under construction, can be discussed by all. This allows you to improve the project while it is under construction, and may give you extra input and fresh ideas.
-- A jury will select 1 or several light projects, 1 or several best standard projects and 1 or several best expert projects. These will each get a special medal. The jury will explain why they selected these projects.
The number of "best" projects per category will be one third of the total number of entries in that category, but there can be more, depending on the quality of entries.
There will be no discussion on the jury verdict.

-- All final projects are published in a separate chapter of the Gallery, and comments can be added there. These pictures become immortal, and can be seen by all species, regardless of their position in the universe. (Be warned : this may include the species you depict in your dio !)
-- The jury holds 4 members : Envar, Gunnie, Yodaman and myself. Jury members can compete and have a ribbon, but can't win the medals (unless theirs would be the only entries).


Project Content : LIGHT campaign

This campaing form is strictly reserved to junior modelers : anyone who has little experience in this, but still wants to try his hand at this campaign.

-- there is a free choice of scale between 1/10.000 and 1/35
-- no size limits
-- this project must include one spacecraft
-- this can be a diorama or a spacecraft floating in the Deep Void
-- this craft is a derelict spacecraft, either manmade or alien, or a detail part of such craft. It has to show traces of wear and tear, accident or battle.
-- this spacecraft can be meant for transport in space (=FLY), on planet ground (= scooter, car, tank, Gundam... ) or in/on liquids (=ship or sumarine).
-- the content of this project has to include an "easter egg" : some form of reference to the Armoramasite (e.g. Armorama name, logo, avatar or other content element)
-- the dio must NOT depict any giant ninja turtles, since even beginners must show at least a minimum of good taste.

Project Content : STANDARD campaign

This campaign cathegory is open to all (even experts or beginners if they wish so).

-- there is a free choice of scale between 1/10.000 and 1/35
-- no size limits
-- this project must include one spacecraft
-- this can be a diorama or a spacecraft floating in the Deep Void
-- this craft is a derelict spacecraft, either manmade or alien, or a detail part of such craft.
-- this spacecraft can be meant for transport in space (=FLY), on planet ground (=DRIVE) or in/on liquids (=FLOAT or SWIM).
-- this spacecraft is a derelict : it has to show traces of wear and tear, accident or battle.
-- the content of this project has to include an "easter egg" : some form of reference to the Armoramasite (e.g. Armorama name, logo, avatar or other content element)
-- those who wish to do so, may include one or several alien lifeforms in this project .
-- LAST BUT NOT LEAST - the project must depict a scene from any of the following movie series : Alien, Star Trek or Star Wars.

This means your entry must be based on an existing kit from any of those movies, or a scratchbuilt version of such craft of a detail thereof.

-- the dio must NOT depict any giant ninja turtles, since I think this contest must show at least a minimum of good taste.


Project Content : EXPERT campaign

Strictly reserved for those who wish to get their hands really dirty, and want to abide with the strict rules of this cathegory. Make no mistake : this will make you suffer !

-- the scale is either 1/72, 1/35 or 120 mm series
-- no size limits
-- this must be a diorama, situated on alien soil (not on planet Earth).
-- the dio contains one spacecraft, of a detail part of such craft.
-- this craft is a derelict spacecraft, either manmade or alien, it has to show traces of wear and tear, accident or battle
-- this spacecraft can be meant for transport in space (=FLY), on planet ground (=scooter, car, tank, ...) or in/on liquids (=FLOAT or SWIM).
-- the content of this project has to include an "easter egg" : some form of reference to the Armoramasite (e.g. Armorama name, logo, avatar or other content element)
-- there MUST be one or several alien lifeforms in this project .
-- the project must depict a scene from a not yet existing sequel in the series of Alien, Star Trek or Star Wars. This means you have to scratchbuild an existing or invented craft that could well fit into the movie you select.
-- (special warning to Envar) : the project must NOT depict any Balloowa-Nimir, for reason specified above
-- Any sign of giant ninja turtles in your dio disqualifies you instantly. (bonus reward for best projects : we are still negociating this, but on top of a special Armorama medal next to your name, we'll try to organize the abduction of a work colleague of the winner's choice or his/her mother-in-law by aliens).


Entry of Pictures and Mission Report (for all three cathegories)
-- For official entry, up to 5 different pictures can be e-mailed to one of the Jury members or entered directly into the Gallery.
-- Clearly mention if you submit your entry to the light, standard of expert category.
-- Together with this final entry, a Mission Report must be posted.
This Mission Report will include the following elements :
- Project Name
- Description of the action that is portrayed (one line to full story)
- Explain about your Armorama Easter Egg element
- Scale
- Describe selected kit or used material
- Describe building experience : what lessons can other builders learn from your entry

-- Those who would have language- or other problems with the Mission Report, can contact GeneralFailure for help.

-- Don't hesitate to post pictures of your project on this forum for discussion by others. We'll be glad to help, and it allows you to check on the "competition" too

-- On behalf of the jury, I wish you good luck and lots of fun !


-- If you have any questions, you can post them here, or send a pm to GeneralFailure.

May the farce be with you !

PS : If you are going to enter this particular contest, I suggest you print out a
copy of this message for reference!


Whiskey
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Posted: Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:30 PM GMT+7
Im not trying to be a jerk or anything but it HAS to be a scene from one of those movies???????!!!!!!!!!!!That ruins the whole idea of the "campaign" entirely.Ever since we started this idea I wanted to do something other than those movies.But now that we HAVE to if we enter that blows the whole thing.Exclude me now.
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Posted: Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:36 PM GMT+7
Zach,
I think you are missing what Jan is saying. Since the timescale includes movies that haven't ever been made, then ANYTHING is possible. Of course that said it might be hard to justify Battlestar Galactica showing up in Star Trek 14, but oddly enough I have imagined this event occuring.

#:-)

Jim
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Posted: Friday, November 29, 2002 - 11:35 PM GMT+7
I plan on doing something ala Space Balls. Heck, they crossed over into Trek and Star Wars and even Alien genre.
Whiskey
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 03:23 AM GMT+7
Ok sorry but Im still confused.The range of this campaign is defiened by the fact that we must have a model or have something in our dios from these movies correct?

All I would like to do is a future battle like the one I am currently working on.It has gundams and tanks and people and BATH buildings in it lol.
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 05:17 AM GMT+7

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Ok sorry but Im still confused.The range of this campaign is defiened by the fact that we must have a model or have something in our dios from these movies correct?



I think that problem is now solved by the new rules. Compete as a junior modeler in the "light' version of the campaign, and your Gundams are welcome !


(unless you want to try your hand at some scratchbuilding. -- pick "expert" level then !
I got secret information that one of our members already started a piece of his dio. Since we only decided on this campaign a few days ago, this little dio of Mos Espa doesn't look bad... !
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jackhammer
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:39 PM GMT+7
Would the names of a few Gentlemen I have talked to extensively,written on the hull of the derelict,be sufficient "Armorama" reference?I have an idea with this in mind and would like to start.
(:-)
Whiskey
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 03:58 PM GMT+7
Ahhhhhhh screw it I'll just do something from Star Wars I guess
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 05:51 PM GMT+7


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! ! ! NEW and REVIEWED campaign guidelines (see above) ! ! !




Vlady,
I was looking into the post about "young modelers" just now.
I'm stunned to read that you're only twelve years young! Congratulations for trying to join this campaign at such young age !
I don't know Zach's age, but I think you have a point and we mustn't be too harsh on youngsters and beginners.
To make this campaign open to all, there are now three campaign categories : light, standard and medium.
The light version is tailor made for junior modelers. I hope this lowers the treshold to those with little experience who want to join in the fun !


Whiskey
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Posted: Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 07:35 PM GMT+7
Im 17 going on 18 Jan.That would be nice for the junior modelers too man.
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 09:11 AM GMT+7

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Would the names of a few Gentlemen I have talked to extensively,written on the hull of the derelict,be sufficient "Armorama" reference?I have an idea with this in mind and would like to start.
(:-)



Sure. As long as there is an Armorama reference, you're sitting on roses. Make sure you explain about your Easter Egg reference in your Mission Report when you send in your pictures, so there can be no confusion to the jury.


YodaMan
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 07:49 PM GMT+7
Jan, am I right to assume the line "the project must depict a scene from a not yet existing sequel in the series of Alien, Star Trek or Star Wars. This means you have to scratchbuild an existing or invented craft that could well fit into the movie you select.'
...applies to the standard campaign as well? I'd go for the expert version, but at 620 actual feet my battlecruser would still be almost 9 feet long in 1/72 scale!
If not, I've got a few Star Wars kits that need building anyway... :-)

YodaMan
PS - I'm still feeling a bit 'foggy'. I spent most of this past weekend outside in 20 degree temperatures...
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 05:17 AM GMT+7
If you insist on doing that cruiser, you can do any of the following :

- stay in Expert mode, build the whole 9 feet or limit yourself to a section/detail of the cruiser. Just make sure you place it in a diorama setting on alien soil. Don't forget the alien(s) !
- go for Standard mode, which allows you to switch to other scales and do the whole ship at a size that is socially acceptable to the other members of your household.
- go for Light mode, which allows you to build about anything if you steer away from Ninja Turtles. Only in your case, in spite of your young age I'll have you handcuffed and hung from your toes behind the thrusters of the Sulaco for cheating, since you're an experienced hand ! :-)
YodaMan
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 02:17 PM GMT+7

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- go for Light mode, which allows you to build about anything if you steer away from Ninja Turtles. Only in your case, in spite of your young age I'll have you handcuffed and hung from your toes behind the thrusters of the Sulaco for cheating, since you're an experienced hand !


Wha????
What's that comment about 'experince'?

I could build an attack bomber in 1/35th from the same computer game... that would qualify for the 'expert' campaign.

YodaMan
Whiskey
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 05:36 PM GMT+7
Lemme ask you this Jan my amigo.Do you think I could do a normal helo dio but slap a funky looking alien in it?Would that work?Cause honestly these rules are still getting me turned upside down lol.
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 05:51 PM GMT+7
Zach, with all the crazy movie projects they come up with, it wouldn´t be impossible too see the Aliens meeting Predator in a sequel...and Predator was whacking Arnie and friends in a jungle...and actually a skull of an Alien appeared in Predator 2. So they live in the same "reality", so do humans, and humans have helos. Simple as that. I don´t see any reason why it wouldn´t qualify..



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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 06:07 PM GMT+7
Zach,
That's why there's a light version now - tailor made for those who don't like complicated rules.
You build it, post it, read what people think about your progress as you go, ... and learn. This contest isn't about winning. If you build anything but a Ninja Turtle in the Light version, you're ok. Just go with the flow.
Then again, a challenge never hurt anybody, so why not try to give it a whirl ? You might end up with your teacher being abducted by something wet and smelly in a flying saucer ?
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 07:25 PM GMT+7
Is it my imagination or have the rules morphed since we first started discussing the build?
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2002 - 07:44 PM GMT+7

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Is it my imagination or have the rules morphed since we first started discussing the build?



It seems like they always morph...

Gunnie
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:38 AM GMT+7
Do I want to know where the Ninja Turtle part came from lol?
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 08:29 AM GMT+7
Where : from me
Why : you don't wanna know. Trust me.

Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 08:32 AM GMT+7

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Is it my imagination or have the rules morphed since we first started discussing the build?


LOL ! Just wait till you're knee-deep in organizing an armour campaign !
Basic version of sci-fi didn't change, but a "light" version was added for junior modelers. Expert version was slightly changed too : there has to be a dio on alien soil, choice of scales was limited, too.
This way, there's something in there for all.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 02:09 PM GMT+7

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LOL ! Just wait till you're knee-deep in organizing an armour campaign !


Nah, I'd just do an OOB Armor, modified Armor, OOB "Other", modified "Other"

"Other" being a wheeled vehicle (armored car, truck, half-track, animal pulled wagon, dude on horse).
"Armor" being a light, medium, or heavy tank, fully tracked SP gun like a StuG, recovery vehicle on former tank chassis, AAA gun on a tank chassis, dude on a horse on a tank chassis, whatever on a tank chassis. Now the RSO would end up being forced into the "Other" categtory.
If on a diorama, then it would be in one of the four main categories based on what was done to the model and not the dio base (hey, it isn't the diorama campaign build).

"K.I.S.S.=Keep It Simple Stupid" are words to live by. Only reason I would break out armor from other are the plethora of miscellaneous wheeled and semi-tracked vehicles that have a wide variety of duties. I mention dude on horse since I saw an DML set with a German soldier on a horse and thought it would be a cool model, if only I could paint a horse (would that make it a pinto?).
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 02:15 PM GMT+7
Oh Oh... it looks like I've got no starwars kit at home...
So maybe I'll try to scratchbuild some kind of imaginary speeder for the expert campaign !
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:43 PM GMT+7

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Oh Oh... it looks like I've got no starwars kit at home...
So maybe I'll try to scratchbuild some kind of imaginary speeder for the expert campaign !


That's what I'm doing! I stopped at the hobby store after work and got $7 worth of styrene sheets, some basswood for the frame, a two-part epoxy glue, and some metalizers.
I'm planning a doozy! :-)

YodaMan