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Proposal: 1st Gulf War, 30th Anniversary
petbat
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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 - 09:35 AM UTC

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I read somewhere that 20 Bradleys IFV were destroyed over this time, 17 from friendly fire. I have an old "Lee" Bradley that is a rubbish kit !! It might be the olny time I would build it as a destroyed vehicle



https://apnews.com/article/a27293da2a7e7f869c0f309d124583f1
https://gulflink.health.mil/du_ii/du_ii_tabh.htm



Note the first article references the 'worst' incident of US cause was 6 US soldiers, however Nine British military personnel were killed by a USAF A-10 Thunderbolt II when it destroyed two Warrior IFVs - does this mean the higher number of vehicles lost in the 'worst' instance counts more than the loss of human life? To me, every incident of Friendly Fire loss is the worst...
marcb
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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 - 10:19 PM UTC
Two great books are the old Verlinden books on the Gulf war:






The Concord books are worthwhile as well:

Covers all Coalition- (including French, Egypt, etc.) and Iraqi forces.









Tank1812
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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 - 10:37 PM UTC
Here is a list of US blue on blue incidents from GW1.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/08/14/gulf-wars-friendly-fire-tally-triples/b39b8d25-7bfa-4888-a8cf-0ac19de496b2/

It does list the worst as the British incident Peter spoke of. Some sources combined the 11 Marines killed on 1/29, this article breaks them out as separate incidents.
Klaus-Adler
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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 - 11:29 PM UTC
There are some interesting books there that i might have a look for soon, as you can never have to much reference material.
seanmcandrews
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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 - 02:14 AM UTC
Those Concord titles are indeed worthwhile but may be tricky to as they are all out of print.

Sean
petbat
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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 - 09:13 AM UTC
Another Concord if you are interested in the British side of things:
ryally
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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 - 10:17 AM UTC
Some others in here
Sword in the Sand: U.S. Marines in the Gulf War by Concord Publications
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/concord-publications-gulf-war-desert-1899631974

andromeda673
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2020 - 04:17 PM UTC
holy crap I'm in!!!!! I haven't been in a campaign for some time, so I'm really happy to be here and be part of this, I think I'm going to go with something that has some wings.....A10 perhaps and in 1/72 scale, what do you guys think?
marcb
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Posted: Friday, December 04, 2020 - 08:59 PM UTC
Echelon has some nice decal options for the M551 Sheridan and M1A1 Abrams:
https://echelonfd.com/products/?range=all&keywords=desert+storm&scale=all&submit=Search
erichvon
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Posted: Monday, December 07, 2020 - 01:46 AM UTC
I can't believe it's thirty years ago! Now that does make me feel old! We were on 48 hours notice to deploy but were stood down because it all ended so quickly. A lot of very disappointed squaddies within the battalion. Our Colonel gave our company an informal briefing the day before the ground offensive started as to how he thought the offensive would pan out,having spent a couple of years on attachment to the Jordanian army. He was absolutely spot on, which considering we were an infantry regiment surprised us with the whole affair being more armour and air orientated. Mind you he was a very switched on C.O so his understanding of armoured warfare shouldn't have surprised us. Even though I only build WW2 stuff I may be tempted to dip my toe into modern armour and do a Challenger.
marcb
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Posted: Monday, December 07, 2020 - 03:51 AM UTC
I remember visiting the Tank museum the year after, with my dad and brother.
They had Iraqi T-55's, etc with the sand still on.

My dad encountered one of the original Desert rats in the cafeteria, but that's a different story...
md72
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Posted: Monday, December 07, 2020 - 12:14 PM UTC
OK, I'll bite with a wingy thing. Probably an F-15A. Now I just gotta find the decals.